Legislature(1999 - 2000)

04/14/1999 01:20 PM House JUD

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HB 99 - SEXUAL ASSAULT:  VICTIM IN STATE CUSTODY                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT announced the next order of business is HB 99, "An                                                                
Act relating to sexual assault and the definitions of 'sexual                                                                   
contact,' 'sexual penetration,' and 'legal guardian' in AS 11."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0746                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARGOT KNUTH, Assistant Attorney General, Office of the                                                                         
Commissioner-Juneau, Department of Corrections (DOC), came before                                                               
the committee to testify.  She explained that HB 99 would make it                                                               
a criminal felony for a correctional officer to either engage in                                                                
sexual penetration or sexual contact with an inmate.  There is a                                                                
misperception among the rest of the states that Alaska already                                                                  
prohibits this conduct, but it does not, which puts Alaska in a                                                                 
handful of jurisdictions that have not done so.  There is a                                                                     
resolution that all states should prohibit this conduct, from                                                                   
January 17, 1999, by the Association of State Correctional                                                                      
Administrators, which had unanimous consent; 38 in favor and zero                                                               
opposed.  There is also a congressional measure that was introduced                                                             
this session that would reduce a state's eligibility for sharing of                                                             
federal funds, if they do not have a provision like this as a part                                                              
of their criminal code.  She feels that prohibiting such conduct is                                                             
good public policy, because there can be no such thing as                                                                       
consensual sex with an inmate.  There would always be a disparity                                                               
in power positions between a correctional officer and an inmate.                                                                
Often times, inmates feel that there may be benefits or favors if                                                               
they have sex with a correctional officer.  The inmates also feel                                                               
that they would not be believed if they report an incident.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH further stated that Alaska does not have a significant                                                                
problem with this type of conduct, except for on rare occasions.                                                                
The bill is more of a preventative measure, for good public policy,                                                             
and to keep Alaska from jeopardizing any federal revenue sharing.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0963                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN wondered whether the states that have gone                                                                 
from not having it as a penalty to having it as a penalty have                                                                  
experienced any inmates claiming misconduct based solely on the                                                                 
fact that they didn't like a correctional officer.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH responded that the circumstance Representative Green is                                                               
referring to has not occurred.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG wondered whether Ms. Knuth was informing                                                                
the committee that the legislature did not act after the Wionna                                                                 
Fletcher incident.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1066                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH stated that consensual sexual relations are not                                                                       
criminalized in Alaska currently.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked Ms. Knuth whether nonconsensual                                                                   
sexual relations are criminal in Alaska.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH replied that sexual assault in the first, second, and                                                                 
third degrees would all apply against nonconsensual sexual contact.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG wondered whether the bill really speaks to                                                              
consensual sexual relations.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH replied it speaks to reportedly consensual relations.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG referred to page 1, line 12, of the bill,                                                               
where it states, "or other placement designated by the commissioner                                                             
of the Department of Corrections," and asked Ms. Knuth whether that                                                             
would include an employee of a community residential center (CRC).                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1139                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH replied she believes it would extend to CRC placements.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG requested clarification on whether a CRC                                                                
facility is by definition a state correctional facility.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH clarified that it is.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG wondered whether "other placement" was a                                                                
catch-all term in case the offender was someplace else.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH responded that the language in the bill is the same                                                                   
language that is used in the statute referencing where prisoners                                                                
can be placed.  That is why it was chosen when drafting it.  She                                                                
noted that she would be willing to find that information for him.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG indicated that he just wanted to make sure                                                              
that the other contracted placements were included.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH replied that they are.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1213                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG referred to page 2, Section 3, paragraph                                                                
(3), where it states, "other person committed to the custody of the                                                             
Department of Health and Social Services under AS 47.10 or AS                                                                   
47.12," and asked whether he is correct in assuming that the                                                                    
language refers to juvenile correction facilities.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH responded that is correct.  She noted that Robert                                                                     
Buttcane from the Department of Health and Social Services (DHSS)                                                               
is here to speak on behalf of the department.  The DHSS and DOC are                                                             
trying to make sure that the provisions are parallel so that the                                                                
same protection afforded to adults who are in custody is also                                                                   
afforded to juveniles who are in the state's custody.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG wondered whether the juvenile correction                                                                
facilities are limited to 19 years of age.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH deferred the question to the Department of Health and                                                                 
Social Services.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1305                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LAUREE HUGONIN, Director, Alaska Network on Domestic Violence and                                                               
Sexual Assault (ANDVSA), Department of Public Safety, came before                                                               
the committee to testify.  She stated that the network supports the                                                             
concept of HB 99, but they are concerned that it is limited to                                                                  
third-degree sexual assault.  Sexual penetration is a first-degree                                                              
offense.  It is particularly troublesome to believe that someone                                                                
with authority over a person may only be able to be charged with                                                                
third-degree sexual assault when other people would be charged with                                                             
first-degree sexual assault.  The network understands that there is                                                             
the issue of consent; however, as Ms. Knuth previously stated,                                                                  
people in authority negate a prisoner's ability to give consent.                                                                
The network would appreciate the committee looking at ways to                                                                   
ensure that sexual assault and sexual penetration are able to be                                                                
prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows, which would be                                                                 
first-degree assault.  The network believes that there may be space                                                             
to amend the sexual assault statute in the first degree in the area                                                             
where there are a couple of elements in the statute, before the                                                                 
authority element, that are coupled with mental incapacity.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUGONIN concluded that the network appreciates the efforts of                                                               
the Department of Corrections and believes that HB 99 is the right                                                              
way to go, but they want to make sure that a correctional officer's                                                             
liability is not limited to only third-degree assault.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1400                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Ms. Hugonin whether she would suggest that a                                                                
higher category, such as first-degree assault, be applied to the                                                                
part of the statute that deals with people who are mentally                                                                     
incapable or incapacitated.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUGONIN replied it is her understanding that it is first-degree                                                             
assault when there is an authority figure involved.  It is sexual                                                               
penetration that the network is concerned about.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT pointed out that, right now, it is                                                                         
first-degree assault for sexual penetration with a person who is                                                                
mentally incapable and under someone's care, and second-degree                                                                  
assault for sexual contact with a person who is mentally incapable                                                              
and under someone's care, that being the offending party.  He                                                                   
wondered whether that distinction would make sense because of the                                                               
mental incapacity element.  He stated that Ms. Hugonin has touched                                                              
on the care element and the authority element, but not the                                                                      
incapacity element.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUGONIN stated if someone is in a position of authority over                                                                
another person then that person is not going to be able to give                                                                 
consent, whether or not they have all their faculties is a mute                                                                 
point.  If someone has sexual penetration with a person and there                                                               
is an authority element involved, that should be considered                                                                     
first-degree sexual assault.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1508                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT wondered whether the line that says, "mentally                                                             
incapable", should be taken out.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUGONIN indicated that she would not take it out because there                                                              
might be other circumstances where that needs to be specified.  She                                                             
feels that there is a way to have the authority of a correctional                                                               
officer designated in the first degree.  As it is now, doctors who                                                              
engage in sexual penetration with their patients are designated in                                                              
the first degree, so correctional officers could be put in a                                                                    
category where they are held to a standard of not engaging in                                                                   
sexual penetration with people they have authority over.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT explained, in the doctor example, the patient                                                              
is unaware that a sexual act is being committed.  The difference is                                                             
between sexual assault in the first degree, which is an                                                                         
unclassified felony.  He asked whether it is Ms. Hugonin's opinion                                                              
that a consensual act should be an unclassified felony, rather than                                                             
a class B felony.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUGONIN replied yes.  Correctional officers should not be held                                                              
to a lesser standard than the general population, and since they                                                                
are in a position of authority they should be held to the same if                                                               
not higher standard.  Another way to put the question would be, if                                                              
a correctional officer commits sexual assault against an inmate,                                                                
would there be a hesitancy?  It would be more difficult to                                                                      
prosecute them for first-degree assault, due to the fact it states                                                              
in statute that they are suppose to be prosecuted under                                                                         
third-degree because of sexual penetration.  She stated that this                                                               
is what the network does not want to have happen.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1640                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT BUTTCANE, Juvenile Probation Officer, Youth Corrections,                                                                 
Division of Family and Youth Services, Department of Health and                                                                 
Social Services, came before the committee to testify.  He is here                                                              
in support of the bill.  The delinquency statutes allow juvenile                                                                
offenders up through the age of 19 to be in the juvenile justice                                                                
system.  Most of those young offenders are held in the youth                                                                    
facility treatment programs.  As a result, there are adults who are                                                             
still within the delinquency system.  The current statutes do not                                                               
speak to sexual contact between department employees and those who                                                              
have reached the age of majority.  This bill fixes that problem.                                                                
As Ms. Knuth indicated, it hasn't been a crime before, but it is                                                                
conduct that the department would not condone or approve.  This                                                                 
bill fixes that omission or hole in the current statute and                                                                     
practice in relation to the delinquency system.  He is not aware of                                                             
this being a problem within the juvenile system; this is not a                                                                  
response to an incident that has occurred, but it clearly                                                                       
communicates that this is the standard expected in taking                                                                       
responsibility for older juvenile offenders.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1740                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked Mr. Buttcane to comment on the penalty                                                               
being elevated.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE deferred the question to the Department of Law.  He                                                                
thinks that a fiscal note would come into play if the penalty is                                                                
elevated.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked Mr. Buttcane to comment on the penalty                                                               
being elevated from a non-fiscal point of view.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE replied he is comfortable with the current status of                                                               
the penalty.  He sees a difference between an 18-year-old and                                                                   
someone who is mentally incapacitated.  An 18-year-old can make a                                                               
reasonable decision about engaging in sexual contact with someone                                                               
else.  It is inappropriate if that person happens to be a youth                                                                 
counselor or correctional officer, which is what the bill speaks                                                                
to.  But, they are adults and are forwarded the benefit of being                                                                
able to make reasoned decisions and sexual behavior is one of those                                                             
decisions that comes with the age of majority.  He personally                                                                   
believes making that decision an unclassified felony is excessive.                                                              
He declared that is his opinion, however, and not the department's.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1814                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked Mr. Buttcane whether it should still be                                                              
third-degree assault in the case of coercion or adverse influence                                                               
from a person in authority.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE replied the level of coercion certainly elevates the                                                               
severity of the offense.  The current law allows for a more severe                                                              
response for nonconsensual sexual contact.  An unbalanced authority                                                             
is inherent in a relationship between a correctional officer with                                                               
a person in custody which warrants a felony level sexual assault                                                                
with or without consent.  But, if there is any degree of                                                                        
nonconsent, the penalty needs to be more severe.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1891                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked Mr. Buttcane whether he feels that a                                                                 
correctional officer should be held to a higher accountability,                                                                 
otherwise a negative message is being sent to the person trying to                                                              
be rehabilitated.  He said he didn't expect an answer; it was more                                                              
of a statement.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1930                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA stated she is concerned about the degree of                                                             
offense because of the authority over the person in custody.  It's                                                              
not consensual under those circumstances.  She asked Mr. Buttcane,                                                              
for clarification, whether sexual assault in the first degree is                                                                
for truly incapacitated people.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE deferred the question to the Department of Law.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1963                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked Mr. Buttcane whether the magic number                                                             
is 20 years of age at which point a person is released or dealt                                                                 
with by the Department of Corrections.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE replied the jurisdiction of the juvenile system must                                                               
terminate on a person's twentieth birthday.  At that point, the                                                                 
case is closed, and there is no mechanism to transfer that                                                                      
individual to an adult system.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1999                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked Mr. Buttcane whether individuals who                                                              
are developmentally disabled who are placed under the definition of                                                             
a legal guardian could go beyond the age of 19 sometimes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE replied yes a person of any mental capacity could be                                                               
in the juvenile system up to the twentieth birthday.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked Mr. Buttcane whether the definition                                                               
of "legal guardian" is specific to those individuals under AS 47.10                                                             
or AS 47.12.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE replied yes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked Mr. Buttcane whether any other person                                                             
in custodial control would be defined in another part of the                                                                    
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE replied yes.  Title 47.10 and 47.12 are specific to                                                                
children in need of aid and delinquent youths.  The youths who are                                                              
involved with mental health and developmental disabilities fall                                                                 
under a different authority.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2064                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked Mr. Buttcane whether there are folks                                                              
over 20 years of ago who are in custodial care who might find                                                                   
themselves in this circumstance because of their disability and                                                                 
still need the protection of the statute.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE replied yes.  He doesn't know whether that                                                                         
circumstance would be covered under existing law, however.  He                                                                  
deferred the question to the Department of Law.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2312                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Ms. Knuth, if there was a correctional officer                                                              
who had sexual contact or penetration with an inmate, could that                                                                
officer be prosecuted under sexual assault in the first degree.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2132                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH replied only if the act was proven to be nonconsensual.                                                               
The Department of Law engaged in lengthy discussions on the level                                                               
of penalty for this type of offense.  The analysis looked first at                                                              
a lack of consent, then it looked at a lack of capacity or                                                                      
unawareness.  This is a step below that and the inappropriateness                                                               
is the position of authority of a correctional officer.  There                                                                  
isn't another circumstance in law that criminalizes consensual,                                                                 
knowing sexual activity between adults.  All of the current                                                                     
criminal penalties involve underage, nonconsent, or incapacitated                                                               
in some fashion.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH further stated, in reference to Representative Rokeberg's                                                             
questions, she believes a developmentally disabled individual is                                                                
already covered under the law.  The law prohibits someone who is                                                                
entrusted with authority from engaging in sexual contact or                                                                     
penetration with somebody who is incapable of giving meaningful                                                                 
consent.  The question is, do you want to say the power disparity                                                               
between a correctional officer and a prisoner makes it the same as                                                              
a lack of capacity due to alcohol, for example?  In terms of the                                                                
standards that the court uses in looking at equal protection, she                                                               
has confidence that the supreme court could see the differences.                                                                
But, in terms of a policy decision and where the crime should fit,                                                              
it is an issue that reasonable people can come to different                                                                     
conclusions on.  She thinks that it shouldn't be an unclassified                                                                
felony because it is so severe that it would have a chilling effect                                                             
on prosecutions.  She noted the chances of a conviction go up for                                                               
a class B or class C felony.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2350                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT said there isn't consent for first-degree                                                                  
sexual assault because the person doesn't understand what is                                                                    
happening, or the person doesn't know what is happening.  He cited                                                              
a doctor's examination as an example.  In that case, there is a                                                                 
situation where the consent is questionable because of the power                                                                
relationship.  He thinks it is appropriate that it is one step                                                                  
lower.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2401                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked Ms. Knuth whether she knows the                                                                      
penalties in other jurisdictions.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. KNUTH replied she has a 50-state survey, but she has not                                                                    
analyzed it for that particular question.  They are pretty much all                                                             
over the board - class A misdemeanor, class C felony, class D                                                                   
felony, etc.  She has not seen a jurisdiction give it the most                                                                  
serious level, however.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-30, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 0013                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG said a mentally incapable person, by not                                                                
including them, can give consent.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KNUTH said it depends on whether that person is found to be                                                                 
able to consent.  There is a continuum of developmental                                                                         
disabilities.  If someone was found to be able to give consent,                                                                 
then it would not be covered by existing law.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0031                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG replied, "And, rightfully so."  He wants to                                                             
give consideration for choices to be made.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0048                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT closed the meeting to public testimony, and asked the                                                             
committee members to discuss the level of penalty for these                                                                     
situations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0059                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT stated it is arguable whether it's one or two                                                              
levels below.  Sexual assault in the second degree includes                                                                     
penetration of an individual who the offender knows is mentally                                                                 
incapable, incapacitated, or unaware that a sexual act is being                                                                 
committed.  That was elevated for the doctor situations.  The bill                                                              
talks about third-degree assault for sexual penetration and                                                                     
fourth-degree assault for contact. He thinks that this should be                                                                
punishable conduct, but he is worried about punishing it                                                                        
excessively.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0126                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN stated the doctor situations are in a                                                                      
different setting, and an incarceration officer is also in a unique                                                             
setting.  He believed it should be held to a higher standard making                                                             
it more akin to someone who can respond logically.  It isn't a                                                                  
run-of-the mill situation.  It's not quite to the extent of the                                                                 
doctor situation, but it should be higher than the norm.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0170                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI stated, because of the power situation                                                                 
between an inmate and a correctional officer, there is duress that                                                              
makes consent a completely separate issue.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0197                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG stated there are circumstances where there                                                              
wouldn't be any duress whatsoever.  If it is raised to one more                                                                 
level, it would go from zero to two years to ...                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0240                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT interjected that the testimony seems to                                                                    
indicate that this is an inherently coercive situation, and only in                                                             
rare instances would it be truly consensual.  The bill is taking                                                                
consent out of the equation for those rare cases; and, as a result,                                                             
there would be no defense for them.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0281                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG stated the position of authority in essence                                                             
raises it to destructive, statutory rape.  A fact-pattern wouldn't                                                              
come into play, if the level is raised, when there could be                                                                     
exceptions.  In those cases, a judge wouldn't have any discretion.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0305                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KNUTH noted that the maximum for a class C felony is five                                                                   
years.  The benchmark is 90 days to 6 months.  The maximum for a                                                                
class B felony is 10 years.  The benchmark for a first offender is                                                              
around two years.  The maximum for a class A felony is 20 years                                                                 
with a natural presumptive sentence of 5 to 7 years.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0328                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN stated this is still unappropriate behavior,                                                               
even for the rare cases where there is consent.  The fact that this                                                             
is a situation preparing a person for rehabilitation, he thinks, it                                                             
should be raised to let people know it will not be tolerated.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0369                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT stated that a person guilty of this type of offense                                                               
would be terminated, which would hopefully be some deterrent.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0377                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG said a felony whether it's class B or C has                                                             
a downside in terms of punishment.  The circumstance here would                                                                 
limit discretion by the judicial branch making the judgments.  He                                                               
also noted that there is an upside of a five-year differential by                                                               
making a distinction.  The benchmarks are significantly different                                                               
by about one and a half years of minimum time.  A person suffers                                                                
significantly, even if there is true consent.  He agrees with the                                                               
law and its need, but is concerned about going too far because                                                                  
there may be circumstances where there is a difference.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0431                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN stated, based on testimony from Ms. Knuth, it                                                              
would be more than a first-time offense.  If a person doesn't get                                                               
the message the first time, then five more years is appropriate.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0449                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG stated this type of fact-pattern would get                                                              
into a "he said-she said" situation of credibility, and taking that                                                             
away makes a huge difference.  The person would either be in a                                                                  
class C felony or in an unclassified felony.  There is also the                                                                 
circumstance of which is easier to corroborate - a class C felony;                                                              
an unclassified felony; to press a prosecution, if it is a higher                                                               
felony; or to get more convictions, as it should be, with a lower                                                               
punishment.  He doesn't know how to balance that, but it is a                                                                   
factor that needs to be considered.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0500                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA expressed concerned about the prosecution.                                                              
This is an inherently nonconsensual situation.  She is concerned                                                                
about this happening in correctional facilities.  She tends to like                                                             
the idea, especially because penetration would be a higher                                                                      
sentence, but she is troubled by raising it too high.  The bill                                                                 
takes the first step in criminalizing something that has an element                                                             
of consent, even though it is inherently nonconsensual.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0541                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT stated he is concerned because this really isn't a                                                                
problem in Alaska.  He would like to see a person at least go                                                                   
before the courts for prosecution, even in those rare situations.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0557                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT stated this is the first time that consensual                                                              
sex between adults, where they know the character of the act, would                                                             
be criminalized.  In all the other situations, either they couldn't                                                             
consent because of age or mental capacity or didn't know what was                                                               
going on.  He agrees that the element of consent is troublesome,                                                                
but arguably a sexual act between two adults could be criminalized.                                                             
It's a whole new area.  It's proper under the bill, but the level                                                               
should be carefully considered.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0611                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT noted this is the first time that the legislature has                                                             
traveled down this path.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0616                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked how many committee members have been                                                              
to the Highland Mountain Correctional Center.  He noted it would be                                                             
difficult to find the space and privacy to "do it" there.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA stated the only reason she is not going to                                                              
offer an amendment is because she has worked with enough                                                                        
prosecutors and believes that they would charge the higher crime,                                                               
if there is any element of nonconsent.  She noted that it is an                                                                 
ethical violation for an attorney to have sex with a client, so                                                                 
think how worse it is for a correctional officer who has control                                                                
over a person's daily life...                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0702                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG made a motion to move HB 99 from the                                                                    
committee with individual recommendations and the attached fiscal                                                               
note(s). There being no objection, HB 99 was so moved from the                                                                  
House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0737                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT called for a brief at-ease at 2:25 p.m. and called                                                                
the meeting back to order at 2:31 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                

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